This choreographed stuff will never work in a real world surrounding. A cammo suit doesn't make a style realistic.
Very true, and even holding a first Dan in Hapkido I don't beleive in all the fancy kicking. I do however continue to practice all the arm an leg locks, and have put that into the other style I've Dan in Shotokan. Shotokan has very few locks, and they work very well with the hard style.
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #3 on Jan 22, 2011, 3:02pm »
No insult taken, but isn't the point of a choreographed demonstration to show what CAN be done in a given situation? IMO, I'm sure Mr. Pellegrini would have no trouble kicking some bad buy's butt in a real world surrounding.
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #4 on Jan 22, 2011, 3:25pm »
I would be careful with any thing called combat Hapkido, on one of the Martial boards I'm on there seems to be an on going discussion on the value of training in Hapkido appears to be several off shoots not teaching the basics
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #5 on Jan 22, 2011, 5:30pm »
To be a bit more precise: I referred to the clips, not to Hapkido in general. The punch defenses shown rely on the fact, that the punching arm can be caught with the hands by the defender. The punches in the demonstration therefore are long and stay in their end position. The other hand of the attacker is inactive. I have never been attacked in such a way.
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Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #6 on Jan 23, 2011, 1:33pm »
Hap Ki Do itself is in itself a combat art and not a martial sport so the moniker of a "Combat Hapkido" school is somewhat puzzling. Changing the uniform do not change or modify what is taught so a camouflaged uniform is nothing more than an attempt at marketing. I have taught wearing and with students wearing various "uniforms", sweats, a Gi, street clothes, and during Desert Storm BDUs.
Since it is really hard to capture "real" combat techniques to show them on video what is being shown on the videos are not surprising. Canned movements are what is usually taught to teach a beginner in any martial art or sport. I sincerely doubt and hope that what is shown are not the whole teachings as Horsts comments are valid BUT the techniques shown are also valuable and adaptable.
Practice, practice, and more practice is the only thing that will allow someone to train their subconscious to respond to an attack without having to think about it. One can not expect a beginner to begin to learn EXCEPT from an attack that is coming from a known direction in a known manner. After skill develops the attack then becomes an unknown and from a unknown direction. I see nothing in the videos that I have not seen in years past from practicing Tang Soo Do, Aki-jitsu, and Ju-Jitsu, except some of the combination's are very interesting.
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Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #7 on Jan 23, 2011, 6:36pm »
Pellegrini ran a 1 day seminar for my unit a few years ago. He is very good and personable. The Techniques were easy to understand but as with most martial arts, doing these things wearing 30 pounds of body armor and a helmet is questionable at best.
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Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #8 on Jan 24, 2011, 12:38am »
I saw a lot of techniques that I'm familiar with and are effective however in the video there was the continuation of one technique into another and another instead of applying a finishing move and demonstrating the next. In my experience, this video is a demonstration of the techniques and how one flows into the next not a demonstration of its actual use in a fight.
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #10 on Jan 30, 2011, 2:47pm »
All of these things can happen if you are sucessful in stunning your opponent. Atemi is at the start of all jujutsu moves, it always was. Why not atemi him into unconsciousness.
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #11 on Jan 30, 2011, 3:20pm »
The initial atemi techniques in jiu-jitsu are used to "soften" the target so that the following techniques have a better chance of working eg. palm heel strike and thumb in the eye followed by an armbar. If you tried to go straight to the arm bar when he was still uninjured a strong target could easily resist the arm bar attempt.
TBS there is a lot to said for just striking him continuously until he goes down and stops moving.
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Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #12 on Jan 31, 2011, 7:21am »
Remember all the attackers are Hapkido students, and understand whats about to happen and go along. The armbars, wristlocks, and movements into a throw won't usually happen in real life. Those locks and twists will have the effect of dislocation or breaking. Last one I used popped the elbow like a twig, and tore ligaments in the shoulder.
Re: Combat Hapkido? « Reply #13 on Jan 31, 2011, 2:36pm »
Combat Hapkido is more practical than most traditional Korean style Hapkido styles. I've got BB rank in two other styles of hapkido and honestly you could only 20 % of what is taught in a real situation, the rest would get you killed.
Remember all the attackers are Hapkido students, and understand whats about to happen and go along. The armbars, wristlocks, and movements into a throw won't usually happen in real life. Those locks and twists will have the effect of dislocation or breaking. Last one I used popped the elbow like a twig, and tore ligaments in the shoulder.
Very true! Remember how I tried to do the outward wrist throw, known as Kote gaeshi in the Japanese martial arts on a person . Resulted in a broken wrist. Well noted ldp4570
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